Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/03/2000 02:00 PM House FIN

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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
April 3, 2000                                                                                                                   
2:00 P.M.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 00 - 98, Side 1                                                                                                        
TAPE HFC 00 - 98, Side 2                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault called the House Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 2:00 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Therriault    Representative Foster                                                                                    
Vice Chair Bunde   Representative Grussendorf                                                                                   
Representative Austerman                                                                                                        
Representative J. Davies   Representative Phillips                                                                              
Representative G. Davis   Representative Williams                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Moses was absent from the meeting.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell;                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Jeff Bush, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Community and                                                                     
Economic Development; Julie Decker, SEARDFA, Wrangell; Geron                                                                    
Bruce, Legislative Liaison, Department of Fish and Game;                                                                        
Vince Usera, Senior Securities Administrator, Division of                                                                       
Banking, Securities, and Corporations, Department of                                                                            
Community and Economic Development; Byrce Edgmon, CDQ                                                                           
Manager, Department of Community and Economic Development;                                                                      
Jack Fargnoli, Senior Analyst, Office of Management and                                                                         
Budget, Office of the Governor; Wendy Redman, Vice                                                                              
President, Statewide Programs, University of Alaska.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 333 "An Act relating to the accounting for and                                                                               
appropriations of the dive fishery management                                                                                   
assessment; and providing for an effective date."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 HB 333 was heard and incorporated into HB 334.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HB 334 "An Act relating to the establishment of and                                                                             
accounting for an administrative cost charge for                                                                                
the state's role in the community development                                                                                   
quota program and to the appropriation of receipts                                                                              
from the charge; and providing for an effective                                                                                 
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 281(FIN) am                                                                                                                
"An Act relating to missions and measures to be                                                                                 
applied to certain expenditures by the executive                                                                                
branch of state government and the University of                                                                                
Alaska from the state operating budget for the                                                                                  
fiscal year ending June 30, 2001; and providing                                                                                 
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 281 (FIN)am was heard and HELD in a                                                                                        
subcommittee consisting of: chair Phillips and                                                                                  
members Bunde, and Davies.                                                                                                      
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 281(FIN) am                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act relating to missions and measures to be applied                                                                         
to certain expenditures by the executive branch of                                                                              
state government and the University of Alaska from the                                                                          
state operating budget for the fiscal year ending June                                                                          
30, 2001; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEAN PARNELL testified in support of the                                                                                
legislation. He noted that House Finance Committee staff and                                                                    
agency personnel worked with the Senate on the legislation.                                                                     
He stressed the importance of the legislation and noted that                                                                    
the legislature appropriates funding to state agencies and                                                                      
expects them to follow through on expenditures in a way that                                                                    
is never clearly defined. Missions and Measures were                                                                            
developed for each agency. He gave examples of the missions                                                                     
and measures:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Vocational Technical Center.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
(a)  The mission of the Alaska Vocational Technical                                                                             
Center is to provide market-driven vocational and                                                                               
technical training to state residents.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
(b) The legislature intends to measure the success of                                                                           
the center in achieving its mission by considering;                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
(1) The percentage of graduates who are employed                                                                                
in their areas of training;                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
(2) The wage increase for graduates;                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
(3) The percentage of students who complete long-                                                                               
term training programs;                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(4) The percentage of students living in student                                                                                
housing compared to student- housing capacity; and                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
(5) For each long-term program, the number of                                                                                   
students enrolled in the program compared to the                                                                                
number applying to the program.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Division of Juvenile Justice.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
(a) The mission of the Juvenile Justice is to protect                                                                           
and restore communities and victims while holding                                                                               
juvenile offenders accountable for correcting their                                                                             
behavior.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
(b) The legislature intends to measure the success of                                                                           
the division in achieving its mission by considering:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
(1) The percentage of juvenile offenders that re-                                                                               
offend;                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(2) The percentage of juvenile offenders in long-                                                                               
term treatment who improve their grade point                                                                                    
average during their time at the facility;                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
(3) The percentage of juvenile offender court-                                                                                  
ordered restitution and community service that is                                                                               
paid or performed; and                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
(4) The number of escapes from juvenile justice                                                                                 
institutions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell stressed that the bill will only be as                                                                          
effective as the follow-up and accountability that the                                                                          
legislature gives it in upcoming years. He stressed that the                                                                    
legislature needs to work with agencies to determine if they                                                                    
have met their mission and if not, why not. The legislature                                                                     
can then respond to issues of management or inadequate                                                                          
funding. The mission and measure bill is separate from the                                                                      
actual budget bill. He spoke in support of combining                                                                            
missions and measures, and the actual budget into one piece                                                                     
of legislation. He noted that the state of Texas combines                                                                       
its missions and measures and appropriations into one                                                                           
document. The public can locate the mission and outcomes                                                                        
with each appropriation item. He encouraged Alaska to take                                                                      
the next step to integrate missions and measures into one                                                                       
booklet with the operating and capital budgets.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell suggested deletion of the Senate language                                                                       
for the Division of Banking, Securities, and Corporations on                                                                    
page 7, line 28: "protect shareholders in corporations". He                                                                     
pointed out that it is a broad and big statement and that                                                                       
there is no statutory direction to protect shareholders in                                                                      
corporations in such a broad-brush way. This language was                                                                       
added on the floor of the Senate.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies questioned if the purpose of the                                                                       
measures is to actually measure outcomes, not to measure                                                                        
what is produced. Senator Parnell agreed and gave examples                                                                      
of the intention. In the Department of Public Safety the                                                                        
intent is to measure how safe the roads are. In the                                                                             
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities the                                                                          
intent is to measure if the roads are adequately maintained                                                                     
to citizen standards. The intent is not to measure the                                                                          
number of lane-miles that are maintained; the measure is how                                                                    
well they are maintained. He stressed that as a result, the                                                                     
public would have a more readable and understandable budget.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips questioned if there was much                                                                            
difference between the House and Senate language. Senator                                                                       
Parnell explained that the work was divided between the                                                                         
House and Senate. The House language was incorporated along                                                                     
with the Senate language into a bill. There were amendments                                                                     
in the Senate Finance Committee and on the Senate floor. He                                                                     
stated that the only significant change was to the mission                                                                      
and measures of the University of Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
VINCE USERA, SENIOR SECURITIES ADMINISTRATOR, DIVISION OF                                                                       
BANKING, SECURITIES, AND CORPORATIONS, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                            
COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT provided information on                                                                      
the legislation. He stressed that the measure for Division                                                                      
of Banking, Securities, and Corporations on page 7, line 28                                                                     
(see above) is so broad as to be impossible to comply with                                                                      
and that it would cover any person that owns a share in any                                                                     
corporation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips agreed with comments by Mr. Usera.                                                                      
She stated that an audit by the Legislative Budget and Audit                                                                    
Committee found that the legislature had no statues in place                                                                    
to implement the measure.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JACK FARGNOLI, SENIOR ANALYST, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND                                                                         
BUDGET, OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR testified in support of the                                                                      
legislation. He stressed that the governor would look                                                                           
forward to a more comprehensive process for more public                                                                         
involvement. He spoke in support of greater public                                                                              
participation. He emphasized that as the measures become the                                                                    
focus of a more comprehensive discussion that the role of                                                                       
the commissioners and the governor's cabinet would be                                                                           
interpreted more broadly in terms of the statutory                                                                              
responsibility of the departments. He added that use of a                                                                       
standardized approach for administrative services of                                                                            
functions is problematic and emphasized that the departments                                                                    
are inherently different and that future discussion                                                                             
regarding the differences would be fruitful.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips MOVED to delete language on page 7,                                                                     
line 8, subsection (3): protect shareholders in                                                                                 
corporations. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT the House language                                                                      
for the university and to delete the Senate version. He                                                                         
maintained that the Senate language was "weak tea".                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WENDY REDMAN, VICE PRESIDENT, STATEWIDE PROGRAMS, UNIVERSITY                                                                    
OF ALASKA provided information on the amendment to the                                                                          
legislation. She acknowledged that the House worked                                                                             
extensively with the Board of Regents on the university's                                                                       
missions and measures, but noted that the Senate language                                                                       
picked up the key measures. There isn't any inconsistency                                                                       
between the House and Senate language. The primary                                                                              
difference is that the Senate did not include all of the                                                                        
language adopted by the House. She stated that the primary                                                                      
issues were addressed and that the university would support                                                                     
either version.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
(Tape failure occurred at this point.)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell noted that Senate changes were the result of                                                                    
discussions that concluded that many of the measures were                                                                       
not true measures. He gave the following examples:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The new or expanded degree programs in teacher                                                                                  
education, health careers, process technology,                                                                                  
transportation and logistics, information technology,                                                                           
seafood processing, and other high demand job areas;                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The increase in research grants in arctic biology,                                                                              
climate change, resource development, fisheries and                                                                             
ocean science, logistics, geosciences, and atmospheric                                                                          
sciences;                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell emphasized that the intent was to not focus                                                                     
on the income or new programs but on the outcomes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman observed that the House Subcommittee wished to                                                                       
direct were the university would spend their efforts in                                                                         
relationship to research. The intent was to increase                                                                            
research in some areas such as arctic research.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies agreed and explained that a problem                                                                    
with research is that the most important research does not                                                                      
payoff for a long period of time. Therefore, it is difficult                                                                    
to measure the outcome.  He acknowledged the need to measure                                                                    
results, but emphasized the difficulty of measuring a                                                                           
research enterprise with results based orientation. He                                                                          
observed that the House included a measure of "the number of                                                                    
annual citations and references per research faculty                                                                            
member." He maintained that research, cooperative extension                                                                     
and public service is left out of the Senate version. He                                                                        
observed that much of the language in the House version was                                                                     
derived from language recommended by the Board of Regents                                                                       
and refined by the House Subcommittee with their help. He                                                                       
felt that the Senate language was vague.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell observed that the measure of the number of                                                                      
University of Alaska graduates, by community of origin and                                                                      
by community of current employment, who are new teachers,                                                                       
new principals, and new superintendents does not measure the                                                                    
quality of the teachers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder expressed appreciation for the brevity of                                                                       
the Senate version. He suggested that the proper balance                                                                        
could be derived from combining the Senate and House                                                                            
language. He felt that House items 8 - 10 were worth                                                                            
considering.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stated that it is appropriate to                                                                       
have a mix of measures with productivity to measure the                                                                         
quality of the program in meeting a state need. He stressed                                                                     
the need to produce teachers that can be employed in rural                                                                      
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips agreed that an ideal statement could                                                                    
be derived from a combination of the House and Senate                                                                           
language. She felt that the Senate version was incomplete                                                                       
and emphasized the need for measures regarding vocational                                                                       
education. Representative J. Davies noted that a typical                                                                        
mission of a university doesn't include a community college.                                                                    
Alaska is unique and it is important to roll in the                                                                             
vocational mission to highlight the uniqueness of Alaska's                                                                      
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault referred CSSB 281 (FIN)am to a                                                                              
subcommittee consisting of: chair Phillips and members                                                                          
Bunde, and Davies.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Parnell pointed out that the Senate version included                                                                    
measures relating to research:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
(8) the number and amount of research grants in                                                                                 
Alaska-specific areas of inquiry;                                                                                               
(8) the occurrences of applied research benefiting                                                                              
Alaska's economy;                                                                                                               
(8) the average number of hours faculty members spend                                                                           
on classroom instruction, student advising,                                                                                     
research, and other activities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stressed that they are not in the                                                                      
mission statement.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 281 (FIN)am was heard and HELD in a subcommittee                                                                           
consisting of: chair Phillips and members Bunde, and Davies.                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 333                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act relating to the accounting for and                                                                                      
appropriations of the dive fishery management                                                                                   
assessment; and providing for an effective date."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 334                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act relating to the establishment of and accounting                                                                         
for an administrative cost charge for the state's role                                                                          
in the community development quota program and to the                                                                           
appropriation of receipts from the charge; and                                                                                  
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that HB 334 and HB 333 were                                                                           
combined into one proposed committee substitute, work draft                                                                     
1-GH2069\H Utermohle, 4/3/00.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BYRCE EDGMON, CDQ MANAGER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND                                                                          
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT provided information on the                                                                                
legislation. The legislation would switch the funding source                                                                    
for the CDQ program from general funds to statutory                                                                             
designated program receipts. The fee would allow the program                                                                    
to be self-supporting.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
(The tape resumed at this point.)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edgmon observed that there is a $400 thousand dollar                                                                        
ceiling (on the amount that can be reappropriated for                                                                           
administrative costs) in the legislation. The cost of                                                                           
oversight is currently approximately $250 thousand dollars.                                                                     
He noted that the state does not anticipate that a level of                                                                     
$400 thousand dollars would be reached but observed that                                                                        
legislation would be required to remove the ceiling. The fee                                                                    
would be administered by the Department of Community and                                                                        
Economic Development. He observed that the House Labor and                                                                      
Commerce Committee amended the legislation to allow new CDQ                                                                     
groups to be exempted from the fee for the first two years                                                                      
of their existence.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman questioned the intent behind the                                                                       
exemption of new CDQ's from the fee. Mr. Edgmon reiterated                                                                      
that the provision was added by the Senate Labor and                                                                            
Commerce Committee and stated that the state is neutral on                                                                      
the issue. He observed that existing CDQ groups have                                                                            
expressed concern with the provision.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked for information on the                                                                           
program. Mr. Edgmon explained that the CDQ staff is charged                                                                     
with working with CDQ groups to assure that they meet the                                                                       
mission of the program to create sustainable fisheries                                                                          
related economies in Western Alaska. He noted that CDQ                                                                          
groups have community development plans on file with the                                                                        
state of Alaska. Staff works with groups to assure that they                                                                    
comply with state and federal program standards. Staff also                                                                     
allocates quota for the groups. Groups are growing and                                                                          
making more investments on the Bering Sea. The CDQ staff                                                                        
reviews: plans for due diligence on new investments,                                                                            
performance measures and compliance with program standards.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Therriault, Mr. Bryce                                                                     
stated that the department was not concerned over the                                                                           
merging of HB 333 and HB 334.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips noted that there is a difference in                                                                     
fiscal notes. Co-Chair Therriault observed that new notes                                                                       
would be requested.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
GERON BRUCE, LEGISLATIVE LIAISON, DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND                                                                        
GAME stated that it would be appropriate to roll HB 333 and                                                                     
HB 334 into one bill. He noted that both bills deal with the                                                                    
classification of program receipts. He stressed that HB 333                                                                     
only deals with classification of program receipts; HB 333                                                                      
does not establish a fee structure. He explained the issue                                                                      
arose from legislation passed in 1997. A group of commercial                                                                    
fishermen that wanted to start a new fisheries worked with                                                                      
Representative Williams on legislation, which allowed them                                                                      
to form an association and conduct an election to place an                                                                      
assessment on people harvesting the dive fishery resource in                                                                    
the area represented by the association. The assessment of                                                                      
the Southeast Regional Dive Fishers Association went into                                                                       
effect and the revenue has been flowing into the treasury.                                                                      
The department has requested appropriation of the funds in                                                                      
FY01. At the current time they are classified as general                                                                        
funds. The legislation would classify the funds as statutory                                                                    
designated program receipts. He emphasized that it is a case                                                                    
of an industry group that wants additional services from                                                                        
government and is willing to pay for them.  The department                                                                      
and the industry group would jointly develop a plan.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
In response to comments by Co-Chair Mulder regarding the                                                                        
Department of Fish and Game's fiscal note, Mr. Bruce                                                                            
explained that the revenue is going to be available in FY01.                                                                    
It is not yet an on-going program. He explained that there                                                                      
are expenditures funded through the class of revenue. The                                                                       
funds are being reclassified. They are requested in the                                                                         
2001-operating budget and are currently in the language                                                                         
section.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies clarified that the funds would be                                                                      
statutory designated program receipts.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault stressed that the conference committee                                                                      
can resolve issues relating to the location of the funding.                                                                     
He emphasized that he did not want to double fund the                                                                           
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the department would have the                                                                          
authority to assess against CDQ participants for the                                                                            
administrative cost without the bill. Mr. Edgmon stated that                                                                    
they would not have the authority without the bill. Co-Chair                                                                    
Mulder noted that section 4 provides the statutory                                                                              
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked how the fees are determined.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edgmon explained that there is a two-tiered approach.                                                                       
The current cost is $250 thousand dollars. The state of                                                                         
Alaska developed a fee with the CDQ groups. Half of the $250                                                                    
thousand dollars is paid with a flat fee that applies to all                                                                    
six groups. The remaining 50 percent is portioned out to the                                                                    
groups based on their allocation of the quota.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman questioned if the CDQ groups must                                                                      
approve the flat fee before it can be raised. Mr. Edgmon                                                                        
responded that the CDQ staff has an understanding that they                                                                     
would work with the groups and honor any changes. The state                                                                     
does not anticipate any changes to the current management                                                                       
structure or the fee. The fee could be changed at anytime up                                                                    
to the $400 thousand dollar limit.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked what is expended to manage the                                                                            
program. Mr. Edgmon stated that the cost is $251 thousand                                                                       
dollars. The program costs have remained stable for 6 or 7                                                                      
years. Representative Austerman expressed concern with the                                                                      
provision, which would allow statutory designated program                                                                       
receipts to grow from $250 thousand dollars to $400 thousand                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder stressed that the state maintains the                                                                           
oversight and can place a limit on the amount of money that                                                                     
can be received. Representative Austerman questioned, if                                                                        
there is going to be oversight, why there should be a $400                                                                      
thousand dollar cap. Co-Chair Mulder agreed and suggested                                                                       
that the limit was included to provide comfort to the                                                                           
groups.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies expressed concern that the state                                                                       
would be forced to amend the statute if the limit was                                                                           
retained. He referred to section (f), page 3, line 23 and                                                                       
questioned why a two year exemption was chosen.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edgmon noted that the language was added in the Senate                                                                      
Labor and Commerce Committee. He did not know the intent. He                                                                    
noted that Senator Stevens does not support expansion of new                                                                    
CDQ groups. The amendment would allow any new CDQ group, in                                                                     
theory, to be exempted from the fee for two years. The                                                                          
current fee is approximately $250 thousand dollars divided                                                                      
by six.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis questioned if there was discussion                                                                      
regarding expansion. Mr. Edgmon stated that expansion is an                                                                     
on-going issue. He added that the $400 thousand dollar                                                                          
ceiling was agreed on by the CDQ groups, in the event that                                                                      
extra staff were needed to keep pace with the groups'                                                                           
growth. He stated that he did not anticipate a fee increase.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bruce referred to the fiscal note that was submitted by                                                                     
the Department of Fish and Game for HB 333. He clarified                                                                        
that both the legislative classification of funds and the                                                                       
appropriation are needed.  He added that the fiscal note was                                                                    
prepared before the funds were included in the language                                                                         
section of the operating budget.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to ADOPT the proposed committee                                                                           
substitute work draft 1-GH2069\H Utermohle, 4/3/00. There                                                                       
being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to delete lines 5 and 6 on page 3:                                                                        
"and cannot exceed $400,000". He stressed that the language                                                                     
is unnecessary                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change, HFC 00 - 00, Side 2)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2: delete                                                                     
"two" on page 3, line 26 and insert "one". Co-Chair                                                                             
Therriault OBJECTED for the purpose of discussion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Therriault, Mr. Edgmon                                                                    
stated that he did not have an objection to the amendment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips spoke in support of retaining the                                                                       
two-year period. She pointed out that it takes a lot of                                                                         
money and effort for startup.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman spoke in support of the amendment.                                                                     
He pointed out that the program gives away the resource and                                                                     
stated that he would strike the whole section.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis noted that existing CDQs would be                                                                       
paying for new programs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder felt that it would be unfair to charge one                                                                      
group for the administrative cost of another group for more                                                                     
than one year.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies observed that the state paid for                                                                       
the previous program startup.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman MOVED to amend the amendment by                                                                        
deleting subsection (f). Co-Chair Mulder OBJECTED. He argued                                                                    
that new groups should probably be allowed time to find out                                                                     
if they can "sink or swim."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf questioned if a new CDQ community                                                                    
could form without subsection (f).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault stressed that the language is                                                                               
permissive, but does not authorize new CDQ's. Representative                                                                    
J. Davies agreed and thought that it was up to the federal                                                                      
government to authorize new CDQ communities.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman stressed that the dive fisheries                                                                       
are being told to pay before they go fishing, while new                                                                         
CDQ's would be given a resource and not charged for its                                                                         
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder withdrew his objection to the amendment to                                                                      
Amendment 2. There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 2 was                                                                          
amended.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to report CSHB 334 (FIN) out of                                                                           
Committee with the accompanying fiscal notes. There being NO                                                                    
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:25 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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